Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Locked out of Beta.
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message
Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Hello Mr. Colin
My Dad received it also. But he is in the hospital with a stroke. I will keep it for him until he gets better.
Bye
-- Daphne
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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Our prayers for you and your Dad. I know he will want to see it.
"Daphne Foldes" wrote in message Hello Mr. Colin
My Dad received it also. But he is in the hospital with a stroke. I will keep it for him until he gets better.
Bye
-- Daphne
Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
There are a lot of TechBeta folks who opted for the mailed dvd's too and they don't have access to the interim builds. Most of them are dialup people and people in areas where internet service has tolls and such.
"raid517" wrote in message
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Well this isn't my only concern. My other concern is that techbeta members are likely to be rewarded, just as they were during the XP betas -whereas equally (if not more) dilligent and hard working beta testers such as myself as likely to be locked out and excluded - regardless of the scope of their contribution.
It seems more than a little unfair.
Given that I'm not rich - how do I get to be a techbeta tester? As far as I am aware, previously this required buying a very expensive MSDN subscription - which was pretty much out of my reach.
I am happy to contribute, but this is hardly an open source type project, so I would at least like the possibility that my contribution might be aknowledged at some point in the future.
"raid517" wrote:
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
I never bought an MSDN subscription. I applied for and was accepted into TechBeta without buying anything to get in. Some TechBeta testers are well known to MS from testing other products and earlier operating systems. Some are included because they are MVP's. Others for many other reasons.
MSDN subscribers have access to Vista through MSDN to enable them to test their products against Vista as it progresses and are not generally in the TechBeta program (some TechBeta testers also happen to have MSDN subscriptions).
Everyone involved in this process feels some sense of exclusion from some yet deeper level of the process. Short of actually being a member of one of the development teams at MS that is just how it is.
"raid517" wrote in message
Well this isn't my only concern. My other concern is that techbeta members are likely to be rewarded, just as they were during the XP betas -whereas equally (if not more) dilligent and hard working beta testers such as myself as likely to be locked out and excluded - regardless of the scope of their contribution.
It seems more than a little unfair.
Given that I'm not rich - how do I get to be a techbeta tester? As far as I am aware, previously this required buying a very expensive MSDN subscription - which was pretty much out of my reach.
I am happy to contribute, but this is hardly an open source type project, so I would at least like the possibility that my contribution might be aknowledged at some point in the future.
"raid517" wrote:
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Yes well how do you apply?
I guess that's the question.
I think I gave some very good feedback on beta 2. And I think I can continue to contribute more.
I would also be a little *upset* to say the least, if one or more of the bugs I found (given that some were quite hard to find and that they might not be so obvious to a less technical user) if they were corrected and at the end of the day those who contributed significantly less were granted 'golden tickets' like they were for for the XP final releases, while competant and dilligent testers and reporters like myself were exluded.
It is certainly no joke when you consider just exactly how much Microsoft is proposing to charge for the 'Ultimate' edition of it''s OS - which Techbeta members will probably get for free - regardless of whether they have actually done any real beta testing/reporting or not.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
I never bought an MSDN subscription. I applied for and was accepted into TechBeta without buying anything to get in. Some TechBeta testers are well known to MS from testing other products and earlier operating systems. Some are included because they are MVP's. Others for many other reasons.
MSDN subscribers have access to Vista through MSDN to enable them to test their products against Vista as it progresses and are not generally in the TechBeta program (some TechBeta testers also happen to have MSDN subscriptions).
Everyone involved in this process feels some sense of exclusion from some yet deeper level of the process. Short of actually being a member of one of the development teams at MS that is just how it is.
"raid517" wrote in message Well this isn't my only concern. My other concern is that techbeta members are likely to be rewarded, just as they were during the XP betas -whereas equally (if not more) dilligent and hard working beta testers such as myself as likely to be locked out and excluded - regardless of the scope of their contribution.
It seems more than a little unfair.
Given that I'm not rich - how do I get to be a techbeta tester? As far as I am aware, previously this required buying a very expensive MSDN subscription - which was pretty much out of my reach.
I am happy to contribute, but this is hardly an open source type project, so I would at least like the possibility that my contribution might be aknowledged at some point in the future.
"raid517" wrote:
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
We understand that you want to be in the TechBeta program...many of us do, but we are not. The sign up for the Vista beta testing happened quite awhile ago if I am not mistaken.
If a member of the TechBeta team did not "done any real testing", they will either not get the final version, or would not be included in any future testing.
"raid517" wrote in message
Yes well how do you apply?
I guess that's the question.
I think I gave some very good feedback on beta 2. And I think I can continue to contribute more.
I would also be a little *upset* to say the least, if one or more of the bugs I found (given that some were quite hard to find and that they might not be so obvious to a less technical user) if they were corrected and at the end of the day those who contributed significantly less were granted 'golden tickets' like they were for for the XP final releases, while competant and dilligent testers and reporters like myself were exluded.
It is certainly no joke when you consider just exactly how much Microsoft is proposing to charge for the 'Ultimate' edition of it''s OS - which Techbeta members will probably get for free - regardless of whether they have actually done any real beta testing/reporting or not.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
I never bought an MSDN subscription. I applied for and was accepted into TechBeta without buying anything to get in. Some TechBeta testers are well known to MS from testing other products and earlier operating systems. Some are included because they are MVP's. Others for many other reasons.
MSDN subscribers have access to Vista through MSDN to enable them to test their products against Vista as it progresses and are not generally in the TechBeta program (some TechBeta testers also happen to have MSDN subscriptions).
Everyone involved in this process feels some sense of exclusion from some yet deeper level of the process. Short of actually being a member of one of the development teams at MS that is just how it is.
"raid517" wrote in message Well this isn't my only concern. My other concern is that techbeta members are likely to be rewarded, just as they were during the XP betas -whereas equally (if not more) dilligent and hard working beta testers such as myself as likely to be locked out and excluded - regardless of the scope of their contribution.
It seems more than a little unfair.
Given that I'm not rich - how do I get to be a techbeta tester? As far as I am aware, previously this required buying a very expensive MSDN subscription - which was pretty much out of my reach.
I am happy to contribute, but this is hardly an open source type project, so I would at least like the possibility that my contribution might be aknowledged at some point in the future.
"raid517" wrote:
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Go to http://connect.microsoft.com/intro.aspx and review the process. You will find programs open now and you can register to be invited to others. If a program, like Vista TechBeta, is not looking for more testers you will not see it listed.
For the long range, get yourself noticed to recieve nominations. Participate in public newsgroups in areas of your technical expertise and become known as a contibutor to improving the Windows experience of others. One thing will lead to another. This how folks become MVP's.
If you have contacts within any of the MS program teams those folks can advise you further.
Read Microsoft blogs and freely offer to help in areas of your interest and expertise.
There are hundreds of ways like these to connect up with opportunities to participate.
"raid517" wrote in message
Yes well how do you apply?
I guess that's the question.
I think I gave some very good feedback on beta 2. And I think I can continue to contribute more.
I would also be a little *upset* to say the least, if one or more of the bugs I found (given that some were quite hard to find and that they might not be so obvious to a less technical user) if they were corrected and at the end of the day those who contributed significantly less were granted 'golden tickets' like they were for for the XP final releases, while competant and dilligent testers and reporters like myself were exluded.
It is certainly no joke when you consider just exactly how much Microsoft is proposing to charge for the 'Ultimate' edition of it''s OS - which Techbeta members will probably get for free - regardless of whether they have actually done any real beta testing/reporting or not.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
I never bought an MSDN subscription. I applied for and was accepted into TechBeta without buying anything to get in. Some TechBeta testers are well known to MS from testing other products and earlier operating systems. Some are included because they are MVP's. Others for many other reasons.
MSDN subscribers have access to Vista through MSDN to enable them to test their products against Vista as it progresses and are not generally in the TechBeta program (some TechBeta testers also happen to have MSDN subscriptions).
Everyone involved in this process feels some sense of exclusion from some yet deeper level of the process. Short of actually being a member of one of the development teams at MS that is just how it is.
"raid517" wrote in message Well this isn't my only concern. My other concern is that techbeta members are likely to be rewarded, just as they were during the XP betas -whereas equally (if not more) dilligent and hard working beta testers such as myself as likely to be locked out and excluded - regardless of the scope of their contribution.
It seems more than a little unfair.
Given that I'm not rich - how do I get to be a techbeta tester? As far as I am aware, previously this required buying a very expensive MSDN subscription - which was pretty much out of my reach.
I am happy to contribute, but this is hardly an open source type project, so I would at least like the possibility that my contribution might be aknowledged at some point in the future.
"raid517" wrote:
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Yeah... well that still leaves me locked out of the final version of Vista and the contribution I have made unrecognized.
I don't mind so much if I can feel like I am contributing to a 'community' and the contributions I make are for the equal (and mutual) benefit of everyone.
But when it comes to a private company who may stand to benefit considerably from any bugs or contributions I might make - I think it's only reasonable to hope that your contribution will be recognized in some way. I'm not asking for the moon after all - and even if all of my contributions amounted to nothing and MS did not view them as warranting attention, I would be fine with that too.
But I do think that this company should recognize each users contributions, whether they within the techbeta program or outside of it - and that each individual contribution should be treated on it's merit.
Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where some individuals have done far less work - but will be rewarded substantially above others who have contributed far more - purely on the basis that they are fortunate enough to be members of the techbeta program.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Go to http://connect.microsoft.com/intro.aspx and review the process. You will find programs open now and you can register to be invited to others. If a program, like Vista TechBeta, is not looking for more testers you will not see it listed.
For the long range, get yourself noticed to recieve nominations. Participate in public newsgroups in areas of your technical expertise and become known as a contibutor to improving the Windows experience of others. One thing will lead to another. This how folks become MVP's.
If you have contacts within any of the MS program teams those folks can advise you further.
Read Microsoft blogs and freely offer to help in areas of your interest and expertise.
There are hundreds of ways like these to connect up with opportunities to participate.
"raid517" wrote in message Yes well how do you apply?
I guess that's the question.
I think I gave some very good feedback on beta 2. And I think I can continue to contribute more.
I would also be a little *upset* to say the least, if one or more of the bugs I found (given that some were quite hard to find and that they might not be so obvious to a less technical user) if they were corrected and at the end of the day those who contributed significantly less were granted 'golden tickets' like they were for for the XP final releases, while competant and dilligent testers and reporters like myself were exluded.
It is certainly no joke when you consider just exactly how much Microsoft is proposing to charge for the 'Ultimate' edition of it''s OS - which Techbeta members will probably get for free - regardless of whether they have actually done any real beta testing/reporting or not.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
I never bought an MSDN subscription. I applied for and was accepted into TechBeta without buying anything to get in. Some TechBeta testers are well known to MS from testing other products and earlier operating systems. Some are included because they are MVP's. Others for many other reasons.
MSDN subscribers have access to Vista through MSDN to enable them to test their products against Vista as it progresses and are not generally in the TechBeta program (some TechBeta testers also happen to have MSDN subscriptions).
Everyone involved in this process feels some sense of exclusion from some yet deeper level of the process. Short of actually being a member of one of the development teams at MS that is just how it is.
"raid517" wrote in message Well this isn't my only concern. My other concern is that techbeta members are likely to be rewarded, just as they were during the XP betas -whereas equally (if not more) dilligent and hard working beta testers such as myself as likely to be locked out and excluded - regardless of the scope of their contribution.
It seems more than a little unfair.
Given that I'm not rich - how do I get to be a techbeta tester? As far as I am aware, previously this required buying a very expensive MSDN subscription - which was pretty much out of my reach.
I am happy to contribute, but this is hardly an open source type project, so I would at least like the possibility that my contribution might be aknowledged at some point in the future.
"raid517" wrote:
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Do you have the button checked to make your bug submissions "anonymous", or do you have it send your email address? If you send your email address, and you are half as proficient/unique as you think you are, you will be contacted by someone to participate...
"raid517" wrote in message
Yeah... well that still leaves me locked out of the final version of Vista and the contribution I have made unrecognized.
I don't mind so much if I can feel like I am contributing to a 'community' and the contributions I make are for the equal (and mutual) benefit of everyone.
But when it comes to a private company who may stand to benefit considerably from any bugs or contributions I might make - I think it's only reasonable to hope that your contribution will be recognized in some way. I'm not asking for the moon after all - and even if all of my contributions amounted to nothing and MS did not view them as warranting attention, I would be fine with that too.
But I do think that this company should recognize each users contributions, whether they within the techbeta program or outside of it - and that each individual contribution should be treated on it's merit.
Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where some individuals have done far less work - but will be rewarded substantially above others who have contributed far more - purely on the basis that they are fortunate enough to be members of the techbeta program.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Go to http://connect.microsoft.com/intro.aspx and review the process. You will find programs open now and you can register to be invited to others. If a program, like Vista TechBeta, is not looking for more testers you will not see it listed.
For the long range, get yourself noticed to recieve nominations. Participate in public newsgroups in areas of your technical expertise and become known as a contibutor to improving the Windows experience of others. One thing will lead to another. This how folks become MVP's.
If you have contacts within any of the MS program teams those folks can advise you further.
Read Microsoft blogs and freely offer to help in areas of your interest and expertise.
There are hundreds of ways like these to connect up with opportunities to participate.
"raid517" wrote in message Yes well how do you apply?
I guess that's the question.
I think I gave some very good feedback on beta 2. And I think I can continue to contribute more.
I would also be a little *upset* to say the least, if one or more of the bugs I found (given that some were quite hard to find and that they might not be so obvious to a less technical user) if they were corrected and at the end of the day those who contributed significantly less were granted 'golden tickets' like they were for for the XP final releases, while competant and dilligent testers and reporters like myself were exluded.
It is certainly no joke when you consider just exactly how much Microsoft is proposing to charge for the 'Ultimate' edition of it''s OS - which Techbeta members will probably get for free - regardless of whether they have actually done any real beta testing/reporting or not.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
I never bought an MSDN subscription. I applied for and was accepted into TechBeta without buying anything to get in. Some TechBeta testers are well known to MS from testing other products and earlier operating systems. Some are included because they are MVP's. Others for many other reasons.
MSDN subscribers have access to Vista through MSDN to enable them to test their products against Vista as it progresses and are not generally in the TechBeta program (some TechBeta testers also happen to have MSDN subscriptions).
Everyone involved in this process feels some sense of exclusion from some yet deeper level of the process. Short of actually being a member of one of the development teams at MS that is just how it is.
"raid517" wrote in message Well this isn't my only concern. My other concern is that techbeta members are likely to be rewarded, just as they were during the XP betas -whereas equally (if not more) dilligent and hard working beta testers such as myself as likely to be locked out and excluded - regardless of the scope of their contribution.
It seems more than a little unfair.
Given that I'm not rich - how do I get to be a techbeta tester? As far as I am aware, previously this required buying a very expensive MSDN subscription - which was pretty much out of my reach.
I am happy to contribute, but this is hardly an open source type project, so I would at least like the possibility that my contribution might be aknowledged at some point in the future.
"raid517" wrote:
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
I do not think I am 'unique' or 'special' at all.
It may well be that none of the submissions I have made will prove to be of any value.
I am simply stating that each submission should be taken on it's merit, whether it comes from me, or from anyone else, regardless of whether the contributor is inside the techbeta program or outside of it.
Otherwise what would happen if someone really did spot a glaring issue that everyone else had missed that required urgent attention? How will their contribution be recognized? Or are they to be excluded too, simply because they are not 'official' MS beta testers?
Why should someone who reports a small minor issue like a missing icon, be favored above someone who is able to devote some hours each day in genuine beta testing and bug submission?
In any case in answer to your question, I have chosen not to submit bugs anonymously and to offer full participation in all Vista associated programs - even those pertaining to how I use Vista on a day to day basis. I have opted in other words for full disclosure - since really I can't see the point in doing beta testing if developers can't contact testers when they need to try to resolve issues. Indeed I have even thought that MS would benefit from being able to schedule full remote desktop access to my PC (and perhaps to several hundred or more users PC's) in order to be able to perform real world testing and bug resolution.
So yes MS do have my email address (and my telephone number and my postal address) and are welcome to contact me at any time. I will be happy to participate further should I be requested to do so.
"Zapper" wrote:
Do you have the button checked to make your bug submissions "anonymous", or do you have it send your email address? If you send your email address, and you are half as proficient/unique as you think you are, you will be contacted by someone to participate...
"raid517" wrote in message Yeah... well that still leaves me locked out of the final version of Vista and the contribution I have made unrecognized.
I don't mind so much if I can feel like I am contributing to a 'community' and the contributions I make are for the equal (and mutual) benefit of everyone.
But when it comes to a private company who may stand to benefit considerably from any bugs or contributions I might make - I think it's only reasonable to hope that your contribution will be recognized in some way. I'm not asking for the moon after all - and even if all of my contributions amounted to nothing and MS did not view them as warranting attention, I would be fine with that too.
But I do think that this company should recognize each users contributions, whether they within the techbeta program or outside of it - and that each individual contribution should be treated on it's merit.
Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where some individuals have done far less work - but will be rewarded substantially above others who have contributed far more - purely on the basis that they are fortunate enough to be members of the techbeta program.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Go to http://connect.microsoft.com/intro.aspx and review the process. You will find programs open now and you can register to be invited to others. If a program, like Vista TechBeta, is not looking for more testers you will not see it listed.
For the long range, get yourself noticed to recieve nominations. Participate in public newsgroups in areas of your technical expertise and become known as a contibutor to improving the Windows experience of others. One thing will lead to another. This how folks become MVP's.
If you have contacts within any of the MS program teams those folks can advise you further.
Read Microsoft blogs and freely offer to help in areas of your interest and expertise.
There are hundreds of ways like these to connect up with opportunities to participate.
"raid517" wrote in message Yes well how do you apply?
I guess that's the question.
I think I gave some very good feedback on beta 2. And I think I can continue to contribute more.
I would also be a little *upset* to say the least, if one or more of the bugs I found (given that some were quite hard to find and that they might not be so obvious to a less technical user) if they were corrected and at the end of the day those who contributed significantly less were granted 'golden tickets' like they were for for the XP final releases, while competant and dilligent testers and reporters like myself were exluded.
It is certainly no joke when you consider just exactly how much Microsoft is proposing to charge for the 'Ultimate' edition of it''s OS - which Techbeta members will probably get for free - regardless of whether they have actually done any real beta testing/reporting or not.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
I never bought an MSDN subscription. I applied for and was accepted into TechBeta without buying anything to get in. Some TechBeta testers are well known to MS from testing other products and earlier operating systems. Some are included because they are MVP's. Others for many other reasons.
MSDN subscribers have access to Vista through MSDN to enable them to test their products against Vista as it progresses and are not generally in the TechBeta program (some TechBeta testers also happen to have MSDN subscriptions).
Everyone involved in this process feels some sense of exclusion from some yet deeper level of the process. Short of actually being a member of one of the development teams at MS that is just how it is.
"raid517" wrote in message Well this isn't my only concern. My other concern is that techbeta members are likely to be rewarded, just as they were during the XP betas -whereas equally (if not more) dilligent and hard working beta testers such as myself as likely to be locked out and excluded - regardless of the scope of their contribution.
It seems more than a little unfair.
Given that I'm not rich - how do I get to be a techbeta tester? As far as I am aware, previously this required buying a very expensive MSDN subscription - which was pretty much out of my reach.
I am happy to contribute, but this is hardly an open source type project, so I would at least like the possibility that my contribution might be aknowledged at some point in the future.
"raid517" wrote:
Yeah thanks a lot like I said.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Build 5456 is available to the TechBeta testers. It is just another Beta 2 build so it will not be released to the public beta folks. The next drop for them will be RC1 several months from now. Your bugs are still valid so keep up the good work.
"raid517" wrote in message Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
Often it is to late once a Beta is imminent. If you really want to become a Beta tester of a specific product, you should start long before the product is in Beta. Adding to what was previously said, also apply for Betas that interest you. Actively participate and get to know and be known by others in the Beta community, including Microsoft. Then when a Beta comes around you really want to participate, you chances of being picked are greater. And if you are not chosen, perhaps by then you know someone you can ask.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"raid517" wrote in message
Yeah... well that still leaves me locked out of the final version of Vista and the contribution I have made unrecognized.
I don't mind so much if I can feel like I am contributing to a 'community' and the contributions I make are for the equal (and mutual) benefit of everyone.
But when it comes to a private company who may stand to benefit considerably from any bugs or contributions I might make - I think it's only reasonable to hope that your contribution will be recognized in some way. I'm not asking for the moon after all - and even if all of my contributions amounted to nothing and MS did not view them as warranting attention, I would be fine with that too.
But I do think that this company should recognize each users contributions, whether they within the techbeta program or outside of it - and that each individual contribution should be treated on it's merit.
Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where some individuals have done far less work - but will be rewarded substantially above others who have contributed far more - purely on the basis that they are fortunate enough to be members of the techbeta program.
Yes but you are missing the point of much of what I have said.
It just seems utterly arbitrary as to whether you are a techbeta member or not - as this does not necessarily reflect the extent of each individuals contribution.
Contributions should be taken on merit - regardless of what the contributors current status might be.
People shouldn't be rewarded merely for the fact that they are Vista techbeta members.
I'm in no way looking for a free lunch - but equally I don't think anyone else should be entitled to one either..
If contributions are recognized, the only consideration should be whether or not those contributions have proved valuable.
GJ
Have you read a SINGLE suggestion that has been made to you???
Comprehension seems to be an issue.... "raid517" wrote in message
Yes but you are missing the point of much of what I have said.
It just seems utterly arbitrary as to whether you are a techbeta member or not - as this does not necessarily reflect the extent of each individuals contribution.
Contributions should be taken on merit - regardless of what the contributors current status might be.
People shouldn't be rewarded merely for the fact that they are Vista techbeta members.
I'm in no way looking for a free lunch - but equally I don't think anyone else should be entitled to one either..
If contributions are recognized, the only consideration should be whether or not those contributions have proved valuable.
GJ
Yes I have. But it may have escaped your own attention that the beta for Vista is now closed - so I can't volunteer for it. If I could I would sign up for it in a heart beat and it is likely that we wouldn't be having this conversation.
So there is nothing wrong with my comprehension and your rudeness is both unwarranted and uncalled for.
As it happens - having looked through the various beta programs, there is nothing really there that interests me - except (unsurprisingly perhaps since it is the biggest news to come out of MS in several years) Vista itself.
I think it's a valid concern to raise that Beta testers should only be rewarded if they make valid contributions - and whether or not you are a techbeta member should be irrelevant in this, as clearly this may not always reflect the extent of a beta testers contribution.
It just seems to me that there is a good possibility that techbeta Vista members can potentially pretty much get away with sitting around scratching their rears and still be richly rewarded for it, while others who make far more significant contributions and who are not official techbeta members are likely to be charged $500 minimum for the merely for the privilege of having made their contribution, if that is they wish to continue using Vista after the beta and RC stages have been completed.
This is exactly what happened during the XP betas, where techbeta members of the program were handed final versions for free, regardless of whether they had made any real contribution or not. There was no discrimination over who had contributed what - and indeed I know of several individuals at that time who either contributed nothing, or at best very little - but were still handed free copies of the final production code, purely on the basis that they were techbeta members. It didn't seem to matter if they were good testers or bad testers, they simply needed to have the good fortune to be members of the official beta program.
Nor do I think it is wrong to raise this issue - as as I said this is hardly a community based type effort. Most people stand to gain something from participation - not least of all Microsoft themselves. I'm all for share and share alike - and indeed am an active and frequent contributor to a number of OSS community based products (yes I know Microsoft doesn't like OSS software - but really they are two different worlds and I tend to regard them as such). But I don't know about working my butt off for a private company, expending a great deal of valuable effort and time and taking the process of beta testing seriously if that contribution is unlikely to ever be recognized. Why should anyone under those circumstances feel motivated to genuinely contribute? MS make billions, while I don't even get the chance of a single free licence, regardless of whether my contribution is considered valuable or useful or not? (Given that of course my contribution may well be judged to not be valuable at all. I'm not for example, saying that everyone who makes a false or erronerous bug report should automatically be granted a free licence).
Anyway it is irrelevant as I don't seem to be making any headway and some posters appear to feel increasingly inclined towards rudeness.
I do hope though that Microsoft themselves will be gracious enough to take my concerns into consideration.
Best regards,
GJ
"Zapper" wrote:
Have you read a SINGLE suggestion that has been made to you???
Comprehension seems to be an issue.... "raid517" wrote in message Yes but you are missing the point of much of what I have said.
It just seems utterly arbitrary as to whether you are a techbeta member or not - as this does not necessarily reflect the extent of each individuals contribution.
Contributions should be taken on merit - regardless of what the contributors current status might be.
People shouldn't be rewarded merely for the fact that they are Vista techbeta members.
I'm in no way looking for a free lunch - but equally I don't think anyone else should be entitled to one either..
If contributions are recognized, the only consideration should be whether or not those contributions have proved valuable.
GJ
#6... CH slid in there for #5 "raid517" wrote in message
Yes I have. But it may have escaped your own attention that the beta for Vista is now closed - so I can't volunteer for it. If I could I would sign up for it in a heart beat and it is likely that we wouldn't be having this conversation.
So there is nothing wrong with my comprehension and your rudeness is both unwarranted and uncalled for.
As it happens - having looked through the various beta programs, there is nothing really there that interests me - except (unsurprisingly perhaps since it is the biggest news to come out of MS in several years) Vista itself.
I think it's a valid concern to raise that Beta testers should only be rewarded if they make valid contributions - and whether or not you are a techbeta member should be irrelevant in this, as clearly this may not always reflect the extent of a beta testers contribution.
It just seems to me that there is a good possibility that techbeta Vista members can potentially pretty much get away with sitting around scratching their rears and still be richly rewarded for it, while others who make far more significant contributions and who are not official techbeta members are likely to be charged $500 minimum for the merely for the privilege of having made their contribution, if that is they wish to continue using Vista after the beta and RC stages have been completed.
This is exactly what happened during the XP betas, where techbeta members of the program were handed final versions for free, regardless of whether they had made any real contribution or not. There was no discrimination over who had contributed what - and indeed I know of several individuals at that time who either contributed nothing, or at best very little - but were still handed free copies of the final production code, purely on the basis that they were techbeta members. It didn't seem to matter if they were good testers or bad testers, they simply needed to have the good fortune to be members of the official beta program.
Nor do I think it is wrong to raise this issue - as as I said this is hardly a community based type effort. Most people stand to gain something from participation - not least of all Microsoft themselves. I'm all for share and share alike - and indeed am an active and frequent contributor to a number of OSS community based products (yes I know Microsoft doesn't like OSS software - but really they are two different worlds and I tend to regard them as such). But I don't know about working my butt off for a private company, expending a great deal of valuable effort and time and taking the process of beta testing seriously if that contribution is unlikely to ever be recognized. Why should anyone under those circumstances feel motivated to genuinely contribute? MS make billions, while I don't even get the chance of a single free licence, regardless of whether my contribution is considered valuable or useful or not? (Given that of course my contribution may well be judged to not be valuable at all. I'm not for example, saying that everyone who makes a false or erronerous bug report should automatically be granted a free licence).
Anyway it is irrelevant as I don't seem to be making any headway and some posters appear to feel increasingly inclined towards rudeness.
I do hope though that Microsoft themselves will be gracious enough to take my concerns into consideration.
Best regards,
GJ
"Zapper" wrote:
Have you read a SINGLE suggestion that has been made to you???
Comprehension seems to be an issue.... "raid517" wrote in message Yes but you are missing the point of much of what I have said.
It just seems utterly arbitrary as to whether you are a techbeta member or not - as this does not necessarily reflect the extent of each individuals contribution.
Contributions should be taken on merit - regardless of what the contributors current status might be.
People shouldn't be rewarded merely for the fact that they are Vista techbeta members.
I'm in no way looking for a free lunch - but equally I don't think anyone else should be entitled to one either..
If contributions are recognized, the only consideration should be whether or not those contributions have proved valuable.
GJ
No rewards are promised to any of the Vista Technical Beta testers. Some hope for something, but even fewer expect something. And NONE are promised or entitled to anything. Most that I know did it for two reasons: 1. To get an early look at something new. 2. The challenge of learning something new while at the same time hopefully contributing to its development.
Measuring contributions is extremely difficult especially from outside Microsoft. Microsoft has chosen an extremely wide cross section of computer users. Everyone from those minimally familiar but at least able to install an operating system to IT professionals at all levels. Wide ranges of occupations are also represented from doctors, housewives, lawyers, fast food employees,accountants etc. You name it, there is probably a Beta tester who does it. They are also from a wide range of countries all around the globe.
If you wanted to be in the Vista Beta, 2 years ago may have been a good time to start, that is when I discovered I would probably be in the Vista Beta.
As I suggested before, plan now for a future Beta that will interest you. When you finally see it, hopefully you have already taken steps since at that time it will again be to late. There is another OS on the distant horizon, what are you doing now to help get yourself a place in that Beta? Now is the time to start.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"raid517" wrote in message
Yes I have. But it may have escaped your own attention that the beta for Vista is now closed - so I can't volunteer for it. If I could I would sign up for it in a heart beat and it is likely that we wouldn't be having this conversation.
So there is nothing wrong with my comprehension and your rudeness is both unwarranted and uncalled for.
As it happens - having looked through the various beta programs, there is nothing really there that interests me - except (unsurprisingly perhaps since it is the biggest news to come out of MS in several years) Vista itself.
I think it's a valid concern to raise that Beta testers should only be rewarded if they make valid contributions - and whether or not you are a techbeta member should be irrelevant in this, as clearly this may not always reflect the extent of a beta testers contribution.
It just seems to me that there is a good possibility that techbeta Vista members can potentially pretty much get away with sitting around scratching their rears and still be richly rewarded for it, while others who make far more significant contributions and who are not official techbeta members are likely to be charged $500 minimum for the merely for the privilege of having made their contribution, if that is they wish to continue using Vista after the beta and RC stages have been completed.
This is exactly what happened during the XP betas, where techbeta members of the program were handed final versions for free, regardless of whether they had made any real contribution or not. There was no discrimination over who had contributed what - and indeed I know of several individuals at that time who either contributed nothing, or at best very little - but were still handed free copies of the final production code, purely on the basis that they were techbeta members. It didn't seem to matter if they were good testers or bad testers, they simply needed to have the good fortune to be members of the official beta program.
Nor do I think it is wrong to raise this issue - as as I said this is hardly a community based type effort. Most people stand to gain something from participation - not least of all Microsoft themselves. I'm all for share and share alike - and indeed am an active and frequent contributor to a number of OSS community based products (yes I know Microsoft doesn't like OSS software - but really they are two different worlds and I tend to regard them as such). But I don't know about working my butt off for a private company, expending a great deal of valuable effort and time and taking the process of beta testing seriously if that contribution is unlikely to ever be recognized. Why should anyone under those circumstances feel motivated to genuinely contribute? MS make billions, while I don't even get the chance of a single free licence, regardless of whether my contribution is considered valuable or useful or not? (Given that of course my contribution may well be judged to not be valuable at all. I'm not for example, saying that everyone who makes a false or erronerous bug report should automatically be granted a free licence).
Anyway it is irrelevant as I don't seem to be making any headway and some posters appear to feel increasingly inclined towards rudeness.
I do hope though that Microsoft themselves will be gracious enough to take my concerns into consideration.
Best regards,
GJ
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
No rewards are promised to any of the Vista Technical Beta testers. Some hope for something, but even fewer expect something. And NONE are promised or entitled to anything. Most that I know did it for two reasons: 1. To get an early look at something new. 2. The challenge of learning something new while at the same time hopefully contributing to its development.
Measuring contributions is extremely difficult especially from outside Microsoft. Microsoft has chosen an extremely wide cross section of computer users. Everyone from those minimally familiar but at least able to install an operating system to IT professionals at all levels. Wide ranges of occupations are also represented from doctors, housewives, lawyers, fast food employees,accountants etc. You name it, there is probably a Beta tester who does it. They are also from a wide range of countries all around the globe.
If you wanted to be in the Vista Beta, 2 years ago may have been a good time to start, that is when I discovered I would probably be in the Vista Beta.
As I suggested before, plan now for a future Beta that will interest you. When you finally see it, hopefully you have already taken steps since at that time it will again be to late. There is another OS on the distant horizon, what are you doing now to help get yourself a place in that Beta? Now is the time to start.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"raid517" wrote in message Yes I have. But it may have escaped your own attention that the beta for Vista is now closed - so I can't volunteer for it. If I could I would sign up for it in a heart beat and it is likely that we wouldn't be having this conversation.
So there is nothing wrong with my comprehension and your rudeness is both unwarranted and uncalled for.
As it happens - having looked through the various beta programs, there is nothing really there that interests me - except (unsurprisingly perhaps since it is the biggest news to come out of MS in several years) Vista itself.
I think it's a valid concern to raise that Beta testers should only be rewarded if they make valid contributions - and whether or not you are a techbeta member should be irrelevant in this, as clearly this may not always reflect the extent of a beta testers contribution.
It just seems to me that there is a good possibility that techbeta Vista members can potentially pretty much get away with sitting around scratching their rears and still be richly rewarded for it, while others who make far more significant contributions and who are not official techbeta members are likely to be charged $500 minimum for the merely for the privilege of having made their contribution, if that is they wish to continue using Vista after the beta and RC stages have been completed.
This is exactly what happened during the XP betas, where techbeta members of the program were handed final versions for free, regardless of whether they had made any real contribution or not. There was no discrimination over who had contributed what - and indeed I know of several individuals at that time who either contributed nothing, or at best very little - but were still handed free copies of the final production code, purely on the basis that they were techbeta members. It didn't seem to matter if they were good testers or bad testers, they simply needed to have the good fortune to be members of the official beta program.
Nor do I think it is wrong to raise this issue - as as I said this is hardly a community based type effort. Most people stand to gain something from participation - not least of all Microsoft themselves. I'm all for share and share alike - and indeed am an active and frequent contributor to a number of OSS community based products (yes I know Microsoft doesn't like OSS software - but really they are two different worlds and I tend to regard them as such). But I don't know about working my butt off for a private company, expending a great deal of valuable effort and time and taking the process of beta testing seriously if that contribution is unlikely to ever be recognized. Why should anyone under those circumstances feel motivated to genuinely contribute? MS make billions, while I don't even get the chance of a single free licence, regardless of whether my contribution is considered valuable or useful or not? (Given that of course my contribution may well be judged to not be valuable at all. I'm not for example, saying that everyone who makes a false or erronerous bug report should automatically be granted a free licence).
Anyway it is irrelevant as I don't seem to be making any headway and some posters appear to feel increasingly inclined towards rudeness.
I do hope though that Microsoft themselves will be gracious enough to take my concerns into consideration.
Best regards,
GJ
No rewards were promised - and no expectation of reward has been expressed on my part either. The statement is and was that whether a contribution was made last month or two years ago is also an arbitrary consideration. The only thing that should matter is whether or not the contribution is genuinely valuable or not - and that shouldn't be an impossible thing to consider at all.
Moreover it is all very well for someone to say that they are not even a little motivated by a degree of self interest - since if form is anything to go by, MS will pretty much hand out free licenses to everyone on their official Vista beta program anyway, regardless of whether they have made any genuine contribution or not - and will probably ignore the contributions that have been made by others. I understand your curiosity, I understand wanting to get a first look at something, I share your interests - but I can't help but thinking that you might be a little less motivated, and a little less thorough if you didn't think there was at least a slight chance (no matter how slight that chance might be) that you would be rewarded for your efforts in the future.
Not that there is anything wrong with that - as in reality Microsoft is hardly a charity and they stand to make a considerable sum of money from your efforts. In that sense it is not you who is 'freeloading', it is in fact almost exactly the opposite way round.
Symantec had a similar beta program a couple of years ago (and they may well still have on their more recent betas) where if users were able to report previously unreported bugs they were awarded licenses for the final production code (along with other promotional goods). Not everyone won out (and those who didn't contribute got nothing) but Symantec got excellent feedback and everyone was motivated just that little bit more by the prospect that through contributing they might stand a chance of winning a prize. It is what motivated people to work just that little bit harder and to dig that little bit deeper to find and report real bugs. If they hadn't done this I doubt they would have had quite so many people genuinely hunting for and reporting bugs to them.
I am a CPP person. I joined the program in the assumption that I would get the production version of Vista free. Why else would I put myself through hell and high water only to the have to shell out $600 or so to upgrade my system or reinstall XP ?
I am on a buggy RC1 version. To my horror I found that I could not get RC2 - what kind of rubbish is this ! I now have the situation where unless I shell out bundles of cash I am stuck on RC1 and next July it will expire. I also see somewhere that the prodiuction version may not upgrade from RC1. So I may be up for a full re-install. Cheee.
I am not happy. --
"raid517" wrote:
Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
"Tony Rogan" wrote in message
I am a CPP person. I joined the program in the assumption that I would get the production version of Vista free.
Obviously you didn't read the CPP page.
CPP = Customer Preview Program.
That means you were allowed to preview the OS, help with bug reports, develop applications for compatibility, etc. There was never any mention of a free copy.
Why would you ASSUME you would get anythign for free?
I don't know ANY (non-open source) company that gives software away for free for Beta testing.
Why would you put yourself thru hell and highwater?
To help Microsoft release a better operating system and help your fellow computer users.
My god, are people that greedy they only do things to get something in return?
The UPGRADE from XP to Windows Vista isn't $600, heck its not even $200.
Now if your post was sarcastic... so be it, if you were serious, you best go back and read the beta EULA.
Bill F.
"Tony Rogan" wrote in message
I am a CPP person. I joined the program in the assumption that I would get the production version of Vista free. Why else would I put myself through hell and high water only to the have to shell out $600 or so to upgrade my system or reinstall XP ?
I am on a buggy RC1 version. To my horror I found that I could not get RC2 - what kind of rubbish is this ! I now have the situation where unless I shell out bundles of cash I am stuck on RC1 and next July it will expire. I also see somewhere that the prodiuction version may not upgrade from RC1. So I may be up for a full re-install. Cheee.
I am not happy. --
"raid517" wrote:
Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta testers who are prepared to look for and hunt down bugs and to report them regularly?
I know nowhere where Microsoft had stated that any person, at all, even the Technical Beta testers, would get a free copy of Windows.
Technical testers did not know until a couple of days before they actually got it.
Keep that in mind.
"Tony Rogan" wrote in message
I am a CPP person. I joined the program in the assumption that I would get the production version of Vista free. Why else would I put myself through hell and high water only to the have to shell out $600 or so to upgrade my system or reinstall XP ?
I am on a buggy RC1 version. To my horror I found that I could not get RC2 - what kind of rubbish is this ! I now have the situation where unless I shell out bundles of cash I am stuck on RC1 and next July it will expire. I also see somewhere that the prodiuction version may not upgrade from RC1. So I may be up for a full re-install. Cheee.
I am not happy. --
"raid517" wrote:
Hi, I have heard that there is a new Beta of Vista that has been released. How do I get to download and test it?
I know that the latest build isn't supposed to be a public beta - but I reported something like 47 different bugs I found with beta 2 - and I worked very hard to find all of those. I am a very good beta tester.
It seems rough that the only reward I get for finding and reporting all of these bugs is to be locked out of the beta program until at least RC1 - which may still be several months away.
Perhaps MS doesn't want dilligent and hard working beta